Re: [lojban] Re: "to pretend" or "to fake"

[Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>]

On Sunday 31 October 2010 21:43:41 Jorge Llambías wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Michael Turniansky
>
> <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
> >  But we can refer to any (non prosumti)
> > sumti we want, no matter how far down it is, since ri/ra/ru and
> > abu/by/cy "see" all levels at once. So since we can do that, I'm just
> > looking for a abstraction undoer...
>
> So you need to convert a sumti into a selbri. The direct way of doing
> that is with "ME sumti [MOI] /MEhU/", but neither ME by itself nor
> with help of any of the MOIs seems to do what you want, because they
> all have their own fixed placed structure, and you want something with
> variable place structure depending on the sumti.

When "me" is used to make a type-1 or type-2 fu'ivla, it ought to be just a 
sumti-to-selbri converter, with arbitrary place structure. (I can't tell from 
the Book, since the example "me la spagetis" has only one place.) So if I 
make a type-1 out of a taxonomic name, I should be able to say "ti me la'o 
ly. Simmondsia .ly. la jungo" (blame Link for that, he misread Nuttall's 
writing). But that still wouldn't undo abstraction. How about adding another 
cmavo to ME?

Pierre
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