Re: [lojban] x1 to the left

[Craig Daniel <craigbdaniel@gmail.com>]

2010/11/12 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
>
> The other justification I heard is that you usually want ko'a in "lo
> broda be ko'a", or in "da poi broda ko'a" to fall in the x2 place.
>

That's the reason I like, even if it's not the historically correct
one for how it got that way.

But I personally think of selbri-last as the "default" order (with
lots of variation possible, either to make for less tangled syntax or
for pragmatically marked reasons) precisely because it makes x1 feel
less privileged.

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Frank <frankdmartinez@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12 November 2010 13:59, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> (i.e., in modern lojban "broda" would have equalled "ko
>> broda").  It's just a design choice.
>>
>>               --gejyspa
>
> However, in lojban, does not the absence of an argument to a selbri simply
> mean that argument is unspecified?  In such case, "prami mi" means "Someone
> unspecified Loves Me" and is not the command "Love Me".  In order to make it
> a command, if I recall correctly, One is required to use "ko", so as to make
> the statement, "You (imperative), Love Me."  Such an idiom ("absence equals
> unspecified") is seen in the former Google Wave lesson where the Student is
> instructed the phrase "zdani mi" means "something houses Me" or "I have a
> house" and is not told "You (imperative), house Me."  Is there actually an
> updated version of lojban, this "modern lojban", I have missed?  Or are You
> just saying, "If We were to start from scratch, We might make 'broda' equal
> 'ko broda'."?
> Just wanting to make sure I have read materials correctly.
> mi'e xuinkrbin.

Yup, you've got it right. Loglan did it differently, but Lojban works
exactly as you think.

 - mi'e .kreig.daniyl.

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