Re: [lojban] Describing a predicate as a predicate

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

The first thing to figure out is, what do you want to talk about?  Your 
presentation is about words: selbri, "broda" and so on.  But, I suspect you want 
to get behind the words to the things the words stand for in various ways.  I 
don't have CLL to hand at the moment, but I think 'la'e zo broda'  comes to 
something like "the referent of the word 'broda'", which is, strictly speaking 
(in the logical part of the logical language) its extension, the set of all 
n-tuples (where 'broda' is an n-place predicate) on the domain of discourse 
which satisfy 'x1 broda x2 ...xn', a relation, in short.  Now, relations can be 
interesting (transitive say or anti, even better), but I suspect you are on 
about the intension of the the term, its "meaning" in some fuzzy sense, a 
concept, the thing by virtue of having which an n-tuple gets in the extension 
(we'll skip over the formality of a function on worlds which returns for each 
world a set of n-tuples, blah blah blah).  That is a property and so (again 
lacking CLL) is probably 'lo ka broda' (or even 'le', since there typically is 
only one, or only one to be dealt with in a particular context).


----- Original Message ----
From: Cyril Slobin <cyril@slobin.pp.ru>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 5:43:54 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Describing a predicate as a predicate

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:42 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there a way to take a selbri and make a sumti that is not "an x1 of
> broda" but simply "broda"; like "broda is interesting", having not to do
> with an event, proposition, etc. of broda, but just the predicate itself, as
> an abstract concept? About the only idea I have is to use {lo selbri be fa
> zo broda} which seems like a pretty terrible way of doing it.

{la'e zo broda} ?

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