Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation

Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation

From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>

Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 12:37:09 -0800 (PST)

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But, of course, "surprised and in awe, aintcha" is merely a derived sentence fragment, not an _expression_ of a feeling. The magician is not surprised or awed, nor does he feel that of the watcher empathetically. He may feel nothing at all or pride in duping the rubes or embarrassment for the same reason and so on. I agree that 'da'oi' as described is what you are looking for but you are looking in the wrong place -- it ain't in UI and related things but in plain old bridi, describing the emotions of another. 'da'oi' is merely a conceptual mistake brought on by the ever-renewed habit of using UI instead of bridi. Notice, "surprised and in awe" can be denied, declared false; a UI cannot (though it may be genuine or faked).

From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 27, 2010 2:25:56 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation

Yep, da'oi is exactly what I was looking for. ki'e la .remo.

See, john that's actually what I AM looking for. I expect that's somewhat how da'oi to be used.

I would read a magician saying ".ue.u'e da'oi [do]" as something like english "tada" or as a shortcut for the lojban ".ue.u'epeikau" like "surprised and in awe, aintcha". This seems like a really handy feature to me.

On Nov 27, 2010 3:12 PM, "John E Clifford" <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:

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