Re: [lojban] lo drata darlu

["John E. Clifford" <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

Not to mention the whole question of whether the greatest good --whatever that means -- is an appropriate basis for ethical decisions.

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On Jan 21, 2011, at 10:26, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

.i'ecai

.iku'i so'i prenu cu krici lo du'u broda mintu lo selvirnu .i broda cei ko'a zukte fi lo nu jmive ja gleki ja xamgu lo drata kei ki'unai lo nu zukte cu xlali ko'a

mi nelci lo selsku be do doi stevo

.i na virnu ro lo nu toldjuno zukte

Of course, that flies in the face of the classic act of heroism where a guy throws himself in front of a bus in order to shove a complete stranger out of the way.  But, as per my earlier argument, it is kind of naive to assume that you're life is worth less than that of a complete stranger.  In case my lojban is, again, too funky for clear understanding:  many people believe that selflessness is synonymous with virtue.

In reality, it is sometimes the case that "the greatest good" happens to coincide with a good outcome for "you".  To assume that that never happens is naive.

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:16 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:

Nothing done blindly is virtuous.

 

stevo

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

.u'u .i sa'u .i broda cei ko'a sevmrori'a va'ojemu'i lo nu lo nu nei kei cu rinka lo nu lo drata cu jmive .i brode cei ko'a na'e pensi gi'e romoi broda va'o lo nu cumki .i brodi cei ko'a pensi .ijebo va'o lo nu lo drata cu zmadu ko'a lo ka vajni lo remna keikei ko'a broda lo drata .iku'ibo va'o lo nu ko'a zmadu lo drata kei ko'a na broda .i zmadu fi lo ka virdu kei fi'a brode fi'a brodi

.u'ucai

I think this is one of those times where my lojban is just not up to the task of expressing such a complex concept.  In english then:  is it more virtuous to blindly sacrifice onesself in order to save another, or is it more virtuous to consider probabalistically which life is more important to hummanity and act accordingly?

i.e. if bob is on the brink of a breakthrough cure for cancer, should he be considered virtuous for sacrificing his life to save a homeless guy on the street?

On Jan 20, 2011 5:16 PM, "Jorge Llambías" <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

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