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Re: [lojban] zoi bug in camxes?
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 07:13:01PM -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:36 PM, .alyn.post.
> <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
> >
> > From the conversation, I can summarize three separate proposals:
> >
> > 1) leave the PEG grammar alone and correct the CLL to describe the
> > way this grammar is behaving.
>
> This is currently my preference.
>
> > 2) replace the rule for zoi-word to match non-lojban-word rather
> > than any-word, so 'gyrate' won't be divided into three words,
> > satisfying Robin's consistency argument. We'll still need to
> > update the CLL for the behavior, I think.
>
> Notice that "gyrate" does NOT match "non-lojban-word" (and neither
> does "gyrations" for that matter). You probably mean something else,
> some new rule like "string-of-phonemes-without-space <- non-space+".
> This also relates to the ZOhOI proposal.
>
> Yes, CLL needs updating in any case. Robin requires the final
> delimiter to be followed by a pause, which CLL does not.
>
> > 3) Replace the PEG grammar with something that reads the stuff
> > between the ZOI delimiter a character at a time. Either require
> > a pause before the final delimiter or not.
> >
> > I like 2, 1, and then 3 in that order.
>
> 1, 2, 3 for me.
>
> > 2 I like because because of the argument Robin raised about
> > consistency. I think it is surprising that gyrate is invalid
> > but gyration is valid, and I don't think that surprise is a useful
> > feature. I can't think of a reason to dislike 2, please help me
> > with that.
>
> But wouldn't "zoi mi miklama mi" as a valid quote be surprising? Are
> you equally tempted to read "miklama" as a single word as you are to
> read "gyrate" as one word, or are you just thinking English?
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
Excellent point, I do see miklama as two Lojban words.
-Alan
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