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Re: [lojban] proposed grammar definition for ZOhOI
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 09:16:32AM -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:30 AM, .alyn.post.
> <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
> >
> > For ZOhOI, LAhOI, &c, anything that quotes a single word, is
> > hesitation allowed between zo'oi and the quoted word? zo permits
> > hesitation between between zo and the quoted word, but the quoted
> > word is Loban. If we permit hesitation between ZOhOI and the
> > quoting word, we don't allow ourselves to quote a foreign word that
> > coincidentally is .y.
>
> It seems to me that right before pronouncing a foreign word is a very
> natural place for hesitation, since it's likely that you will need to
> prepare to get it right, unless it happens to come from your native
> language.
>
I like that.
> > In theory, we could use ZOI and delimit the word in this case, so it
> > isn't a show-stopper. camxes actually doesn't permit this usage
> > either (though it is grammatical, you wind up with a parse tree that
> > is quoting nothing rather than quoting .y.), which is why I've been
> > experimenting with Y handling.
>
> Yes, it's complicated. My personal definition is that ".y" is not a
> Lojban word, and /y/ is not a fully proper Lojban phoneme, it's only a
> buffer.
>
I'm also playing with Y because I want to see it in the parse tree
after a parse, I'm neutral toward this definition, and it is
compatible with what I'm wanting to do with Y: great!
> > I also asked xalbo whether this this was valid usage:
> >
> > zo'oi "Where are your Keys?"
> >
> > And he opined no.
>
> You could do: zo'oi Where_are_your_Keys? (presumably you won't pause
> between words when pronouncing it).
>
I'm glad that everyone I've shown that too doesn't think it looks
right. It makes me hope we won't see it in usage. :-)
-Alan
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