Re: [lojban] selbri lo TAG sumti

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, of course, it is, in some sense. The important point to
remember is that the FA series needs to be hooked after the selbri
with a be when you convert the selbri to sumti, and a BAI needs to
also, IF it has an argument attached to it, e.g. "lo klama be bai mi
[be'o] cu tordu" ( that which is forced-by-me-to-come is short), but
BAI without a sumti can act like more like a tense (PU/ZI), and can
appear "nakedly" in front of the selbri word, which can then be
converted to a sumti directly.

--gejyspa

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, that makes sense. I think the heart of my confusion started when I
> learned BAI and thought "oh, so it's like FA". So that lead me into
> thoughts like "what in the hell is {lo fa gerku}". But I think I've got it
> now (for the time being) ;p
> ki'e gejyspa
>
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I guess, if I am reading you correctly, you can certainly do that.
>> But it's really not all that complicated. Take these examples from
>> the CLL:
>> le ratcu cu citka le cirla
>> vi le vu panka
>> The rat eats the cheese
>> [short distance] the [long distance] park
>> The rat eats the cheese near the faraway park.
>> (10.12.4)
>>
>> lo ca nolraitru
>> be le fasygu'e cu na krecau
>> The-actual present noblest-governor
>> of the French country [false] is-hair-without.
>> The current king of France isn't bald.
>> (15.2.6)
>>
>> "lo TAG sumti" means nothing more or less like any other sumti, "X
>> du lo broda" -> "X broda" "X du lo TAG broda" -> "X TAG broda" The
>> tag (selbri tcita) comes along ("tags along" :-) with the selbri. So
>> when you say "mi bai klama ti", you have no problem with that, right?
>> "I was forced to come here". So you are a "forced-to-come" thing,
>> with destination here. So when I say "lo bai klama cu tordu", it just
>> means the "forced-to-come thing" is short.
>>
>> --gejyspa
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Earlier I found a bridi of this form and upon being confused by it, I
>> > did
>> > some googleing and found this
>> >
>> > thread: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/488b2cb9a22bb9d3
>> > Low and behold, this topic has confused me before. For simplicity sake,
>> > (I
>> > know it's not technically equivalent), could I read {broda lo TAG brode}
>> > as
>> > {broda lo brode (oh and lo brode is TAG to something in the way that
>> > caku
>> > makes a bridi "ca" to "something")}?
>> >
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