Re: [lojban] Re: I love Lojban's approach, but what's the deal with place tags?

[Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>]

On Tuesday 05 April 2011 12:45:08 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> FA merely marks which place in the defined place structure if being filled
> by the following sumti. {fa} always marks the x1 of the bridi. You have to
> know the place structure of the selbri in order to know what relation is
> bring applied to the sumti following FA. I don't know Turkish, but I
> believe that language's tags are more like our BAI.

All natlangs that I know of have a small number of slots for verb arguments. 
English has, in general, three, which are given in the order 1,3,2 (subject, 
indirect object, direct object). "My father (1) gave me (3) the ball (2)." 
("Bet" has four, the fourth, which comes after the second, being a 
proposition.)

Turkish has six cases; I don't know which can be used as arguments, but here's 
an example: "Babam-0 ban-a top-u verdi." The null ending ("-m" is a 
possessive) marks nominative; "-a" marks dative; "-u" marks accusative.

Lojban brivla can have any number of arguments. No gismu has more than five, 
but lujvo can have more. Some formations, such as "-ria" and "-gau", cause 
all the arguments to be shifted to the next higher number and a new argument 
inserted as the first. This is unlike natlangs. So from "le patfu cu dunda lo 
bolci mi", one can construct "le patfu le mamta cu dudmau lo bolci mi".

Pierre
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