Re: [lojban] Regularization

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

  Hmmm... not necessarily.  Although I suppose there usually will be a
krinu, rinka, mukti or nibli relationship, there may be none at all.
For example, to slip into English idiom, "va'o da'i lo nu lo xarju cu
vofli kei mi kansa do lo nu catlu  lo selte'a skina" ("when pigs fly,
I will see a scary move with you")  My going isn't in any way
motivated or caused by the pigs flying, it will just be coincident
with it.  OTOH, if you meant my particular example, it needn't be
ri'a.  Maybe I like the challenge of driving in the snow, so it's
mukti.  Maye the trains won't run, so it's krinu (or nibli).
            --gejyspa


On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the explanation gejyspa.  In your second example (the one using
> da'i), is there any hint of "ri'a"ness in that "counter-factual"?  I think
> that's the heart of the matter.
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>  Counterfactual meaning not as things are, but as they might be.  So,
>> for example "va'o lo nu lo snime cu carvi kei mi ma'ekla le birju"->
>> "I drive to the office in the snow" ("in the situation of it snowing,
>> I drive to the office")  "va'o da'i lo nu lo snime cu carvi kei mi
>> ma'ekla le birju" -> "if it snows, I will drive to the office".  ("in
>> the theoretical situation of it snowing, I drive to the office")
>>          Clearer?
>>               --gejyspa
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Michael Turniansky
>> > <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> But also remember, va'o doesn't work as a
>> >> counterfactual on its own. You must also have the da'i to mark it as
>> >> hypothetical.
>> >
>> > Could you elaborate a little bit? What do you mean with
>> > "counterfactual"?
>> >
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