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Re: [lojban] Contesting a lujvo



No, it doesn't, but I mean that the distinction over whether the programmer is human or computer may become more important than the distinction over whether the intended consumer is human or computer, prompting a possibility for drift.

Have any solutions to the possible issues been proposed/considered?
Drift is one concern, but it's one of the easiest ones to deal with: simply update the definition. It's not particularly controversial.
Another (more painful issue) is who decides what a term applying to a group of people means: e.g. atheists tend to define "atheism" as a lack of belief in any god, while people who don't identify as atheist tend to define "atheism" as a disbelief in (usually the Abrahamic) god.

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
It doesn't say the programmer is human.

As for this problem in general, though, yeah, I agree that there are some possible issues here. Drift with relatively specific words is a concern.

mu'o mi'e .latros.

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:49 AM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
Optimistic, but unlikely.  Under your solution, {ri'orcinki} would mean effectively the same thing as {crino cinki}, leaving the two parties with words longer by a syllable.  If the dye-ers were willing to go with a longer lujvo, the contest probably wouldn't have happened in the first place.

As another example, currently {sampla} refers to the relationship "some programmer writing a computer program that does something".

But come the singularity, {skami platu} may be used more frequently to refer to plans made by a computer, not for a computer; the meaning of the lujvo {sampla} might become increasingly archaic, and there may be a push to adopt the meaning "some computer wrote some plan/design to do something".

Lojban, being a prescribed language, would require the BPFK to decide what the meaning was, but what factors would influence its decision?


On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:33 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
On 21 April 2011 10:01, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
> Let's say that, in lojbanistan, {ri'orcinki} refers to a particular species
> of insects, notable for their green color. Now, let's imagine the dyeing
> industry discovering that another insect, not particularly notable in
> appearance, effectively produces a green dye when properly treated. How
> would the dyeing industry contest the meaning of {ri'orcinki}, if it should
> so choose?

One possible scenario is that each party create a sufficiently
specific and distinct lujvo for their own use -- such as
{ri'orpilcinki} and {ri'opracinki} -- and then agree to expand the
meaning of {ri'orcinki} -- such as "an insect that has to do with
green color" -- so as to make it a hypernym to the new lujvos. If then
{ri'orcinki} was unserviceably generic and vague, it would naturally
fall out of use.


mu'o

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