Re: [lojban] [CLL Errata] zo ra'o

[Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>]

On Saturday 30 April 2011 19:25:45 .asiz. wrote:
> Example 6.10 is
> "
> 6.10)
>     A: mi ba klama le zarci
>     B: mi nelci le si'o mi go'i
>     A: do go'e
> "
>
>
> Firstly, {do go'e} is not B's, but A's statement.
>
> Secondly, being A's statement, the referent of {mi} does not change.
> In this example, {go'e ra'o} would mean the same as {go'e}.

Correct.

> The current text might give the impression that {ra'o} simply swaps
> {mi} by {do} in the referenced bridi, which is not the case, is it?
>
> Apparently, someone noted that and proposed a correction in
> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/CLL%2C+aka+Reference+Grammar%2C+Errata
>
> However, I believe that the "correct correction" approved instead
> is in contradiction with the definition of {ra'o} in the CLL, for the
> reasons
> stated above.

You are correct. I think the correct way to correct it is to replace "mi go'i" 
in B's statement with "go'i ra'o".

Also there should be an example of "no'a ra'o". Here's mine:

la djan. klama le zdani be vo'a pu le nu la meris. no'a .i
la djan. klama le zdani be vo'a pu le nu la meris. no'a ra'o

In the first sentence; Mary and John both go to John's house; in the second, 
Mary goes to her own house.

Also "ra'o" makes no sense with "du" and not much with "co'e" (it is possible 
that "co'e" refers to a bridi that's hard to get at with "go'i" etc.), and 
it's not clear to me how one should answer a "mo ra'o" question.

Pierre
-- 
li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa

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