[lojban] non-ka properties

[Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>]

coi

The following might be described in English as properties:
 * one's name
 * one's position
 * one's colour
 * one's temperature
 * one's mother

They are, of course, of a rather different kind than what is
referred to by ka-abstractions, which would be, for example,
"the property of having a name" or "the property of being
named Capulet".

These non-ka properties might not be, e.g., neither of
 * se ckaji
 * se simlu
 * se sisku
which are ka-specific. However, I believe that, depending on
their specific nature, they might be either of
 * te zmadu
 * te jibni
 * te simsa
 * se mutce
 * se traji

I then ask how these could be expressed in lojban, particularly
as arguments of the aforementioned se sumti.

ka-properties have been described as lambda expressions.
The return values of these expressions are truth values. They
might be in a multivalued scale when used in zmadu, jibni, etc,
but they are still basically truth values.

These non-ka properties are then just lambda expressions
which return different kinds of values. It appears only logical
that {ce'u} should be used. The best I have come up with are
constructions such as
    {ko'a jibni ko'e lo se stuzi be ce'u}.

Nevertheless, this directly contradicts the gimste, which
specifically asks for a {ka} or {ni}. The CLL does not
mention any possible use of {ce'u} outside an abstraction
either.

What am I missing?
How are these ideas expressed in the current corpus?

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.

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