Re: [lojban] Is it a lie?

[Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>]

I don't see a significant distinction between "you are lying" and
"you are being a deceptive asshole".

-Robin

On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 01:59:30AM -0400, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote:
> That feels like a slippery slope to me, though.
> 
> {.i do xu pu catra la .robin.}
> {.i mi na catra ri to tu'a lo dakfu toi}
> 
> pe'i lojban allows many more of these unsaid loopholes than English, to the
> point where I'd consider it lying if you pathologically chose a {zo'e}, CA,
> CAhA, etc.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:35 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 06:35:49PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote:
> > > So my question is, can an unsaid "zo'e" cause the bridi to be true
> > > OR false depending on what the context suggests of the zo'e?
> > > Clearly the kid is being dishonest but is he /lieing/?
> >
> > No.  zo'e can never change the truth value of the sentence.
> >
> > *But*, without specifying CA and CAhA, it can kind of mean whatever
> > you want.  :)
> >
> > > It kind of reminds me of arguments I would have with my sister
> > > that went like "but you said that you would take out the trash if
> > > I walked the dog. -yeah, but I didn't say when"
> >
> > It's exactly like that.  It's not false, it just makes you an
> > asshole.
> >
> > -Robin
> >
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> > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false"
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