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Re: [lojban] zasni+gerna+cenba+vreji
Speaking specifically of SA, I find myself of late in the position
of defending the existing behavior (as largely expressed in the CLL
with the "typical and obvious" clarifications from Magic Words on
the wiki and other documents.
I've been working on this aspect of the PEG grammar, and SA is
indeed the most complex of the magic words. I'm not of the position
that this complexity is somehow in a different class; that it is
so much more complex than other magic words that it is worth
not working on or redefining.
I'm still working on this project, so don't have a fully formed
opinion yet. I have understood the page mentioned by you to remove
SA to focus on working on other parts of the grammar, no to
fundamentally remove SA.
-Alan
On Sun, Jul 03, 2011 at 02:49:31PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote:
> When asked about "gije" someone replied with a link to the page for the
> zasni gerna cenba vreji
> ([1]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=zasni+gerna+cenba+vreji)
> I don't see anything about "gije" on that page but it could very well be
> that that construct being legal and having the same meaning as "gi'e" is
> just a bi-product of one of the changes listed. Could someone go into a
> little detail on which of the changes on that page makes "gije" behave
> like "gi'e"?
> Also, in reading through that page it seems sad that "sa" would just
> disappear. Couldn't we just give it a meaning that's more specific? My
> first thought is to redefine it to always mean "erase everything back to
> the last '.i' ". So many times I want to say "ok, I screwed up this entire
> sentence beyond hope... crap, su will kill the whole discourse but to use
> si I'm going to have to spend a few minutes figuring out how many words
> I've said." Then I usually end up just making a whole new bridi to say
> "ignore that last convoluted mess. What I meant to say was: ".
> A second thought; what if we redefine sa to mean "take the next word as a
> token and erase backwards until you find that token". Thus "mi citka lo
> cmalu cifnu .y. .oicai sa citka cikygau lo cmalu cifnu" results in the
> much more savory "mi cigygau lo cmalu cifnu".
> And finally, my last question. Should I have put these questions/comments
> on the tiki page? I haven't done much with tiki/wiki so it'd be new to me
> but I do want to discuss this stuff in the proper location.
> ki'e mu'o mi'e la .cribe.
>
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