Re: [lojban] Re: How it should have been. And how it could be.

Yes, but ... To be sure, the only hope of getting money for Lojban (et seq) is from computer uses. But if they want a language to use with computers, they will build one to fit computers -- without all the frills that human languages have. And, for that matter, if you have to learn a new language to use a computer, then a computer language is the way to go. Of course, some folks still hold out hope for being able to translate natural languages into computerese, but that is a much longer shot. So, I don't think that LoCCan3 is going anywhere (unless Lojban gets a new Napoleon type, which leads to a fragmentation again -- which will happen eventually, if the project lasts long enough).
As a further strike, Lojban is looked upon as a cult language, like Klingon and Na'vi (and maybe Dothraki -- the first results aren't in yet) and so the people who know it and could teach it are considered flakes -- or worse. (As a flake, I have to note that the Na'vi clearly have a hierarchy and a relgion, so they almost inevitably have a high language and a common one. You can't talk to a chief or a god in the same way you talk to the schlump next door. As for complex rules, many languages of primitive people are as bad as Sanskrit or worse, so that isn't unrealistic. Na'vi is a second rate conlang, but seems to work OK, in context and out.)
Don't get excited about SWH -- every version presented so far has either had nothing to do with S and W or was a prima facie crock. And usually both.

From: Muhammad Nael <muhammad.nael@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, June 25, 2011 11:27:22 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: How it should have been. And how it could be.

Actually, it exists only as a communication medium between humans and AI’s so dominant at the time. Despite being an overused idea, its fresh blood comes from its Arabic-Eastern culture POV that, to my experience, is very rare in the western -and generally the global- market.

I’m currently working -if you'd call what I'm work- on (Renodré), a fictional language another ‘entity’ uses in the story; it’s, however, meant to be a personal language that is subject to normal flaws of natural languages. Its development didn’t help me in the logical human-AI language thing.

I understand that if a large institution funds such a large project, it will be greatly skewed in favour of its needs. However, how about seeking funding from several large institutions, each funds the aspect it needs (a bit shallow I know), but with general guidelines laid out to prevent any from gaining advantage over the other, and to make sure it meets its purpose for public usage.

If you can get academic support in form of linguists and mathematicians, I believe that although Lojban needed 25 years of development over Loglan’s 30, Loghnat (a name I chose) would roughly take 10 years over Loglan’s and Lojban’s 55 with merely academic linguistic and mathematical support and very little general public donations.

Just look at the amount of advertisement and support Na’ví gets, just because it was used in James’ Cameron’s gorgeous, shallow Avatar! How in life would primitive jungle-dependant life forms have formal and informal sentences in their language, let alone the tremendous amount of rules in it, they haven’t had the time to write all this, have they?

I’m one of the few who believe in pure-thought theory, although altered to replace language with visual clues instead of the undefined-pure-thought-raw-material in which others believed, so I never really had any interest in the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, although I’m beginning to change my mind.

Google is currently funding several linguistic and artistic projects for Egyptian graduates, maybe you know someone here who might be a possible candidate to propose this to Google? I know it’s weird from to say this (living in Egypt and all!) but I’m afraid I don’t know any suitable ones here, I don’t know if you have any in your community however. I’ll and check the university but without promises.

I’ll write the two follow ups later, I need to go.

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