Re: [lojban] da broda, ko'a broda, da bu'a, zo'e co'e

[Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>]

I usually use {je'u nai}

-Robin

On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 09:57:31PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> What's the attitudinal for sarcasm again?
> 
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 04:02:07AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 3:05 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > We often use the combination of "da/de/di" &
> > > > "broda/brode/brodi/brodo/brodu" when we describe the grammar by way of
> > > > syntactically indicating but not semantically specifying the sumti &
> > > > selbri spaces. For example:
> > > >
> > > >  da broda lo nu brode kei de lo brodi di
> > > >
> > > > That is, some of us (including myself) tend to use a pair of "da/..."
> > > > & "broda/..." to explain the general structure of a particular
> > > > expression or to suggest how to put together whatever sumti or selbri
> > > > for a certain form of expression.
> > > >
> > > > Some nintadni would then likely get the impression that
> > > >
> > > >  whatever sumti <-- da
> > > >  whatever selbri <-- broda
> > > >
> > > > and perhaps, with the gimmicks of LE-sumtification and
> > ME-selbrification,
> > > > that
> > > >
> > > >  me da (is-whatever) = broda
> > > >  lo broda (that which is-whatever) = da
> > > >
> > > > That notion might also be informally driven by the appearance that
> > > > "da" and "broda" share an identical syllable.
> > > >
> > > > The whole assumed correspondence between "da" & "broda" wouldn't be
> > > > correct, however. "da/..." are BOUND VARIABLEs, while "broda/..." are
> > > > ASSIGNABLE PRO-FORMs", which is an important distinction to make
> > > > regarding the practice of quantification. Also, there is the
> > > > selbri-type of bound variables -- "bu'a/bu'e/bu'i" -- and the
> > > > sumti-type of assignable pro-forms -- "ko'a/ko'e/ko'i/...". That is:
> > > >
> > > >  "broda" (assignable pro-form) aligns more with "ko'a" (assignable
> > > > pro-form) than with "da" (bound variable)
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > >  "da" (bound variable) aligns more with "bu'a" (bound variable) than
> > > > with "broda" (assignable pro-form)
> > > >
> > > > These alignments may be comparable to that of "zo'e" & "co'e" as well.
> > > >
> > > > With that in mind, which of the following combinations would most
> > > > finely substitute for the oft-used "da broda" in generalizing
> > > > grammatical structures:
> > > >
> > > >  ko'a broda
> > > >  da bu'a
> > > >  zo'e co'e
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > mu'o mi'e tijlan
> > > >
> > >
> > > da broda
> > >
> > > If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
> >
> > Boy are *you* in the wrong community.  0.o
> >
> > Also, I think the fact that it *is* broke was pretty well
> > demonstrated.
> >
> > For arbitrary grammatical exposition, I'd say {zo'e co'e} or {ko'a
> > broda}; I have no strong preference.  For actual logical
> > correspondance, {da bu'a}, but it's rare that that actually comes
> > up.
> >
> > -Robin
> >
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