I'm personally of the opinion that it should be ce, but Xorxes likes to be expansive about gadri and sumti types...
--gejyspa
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:30 AM, tijlan
<jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
Somebody brought the following Alice sentence to my attention:
no’i la ciftoldi ku joi la alis ze’a simxu le nu smaji catlu (older version)
no'i la ciftoldi joi la .alis. ze'a simxu lo nu smaji catlu (newer version)
Why "joi", given that "ce" would be in more accordance with the
dictionary definition of simxu1 (a set)? I'm personally of the opinion
that the dictionary doesn't have to confine this x1 to one type or the
other; but if it's just that we don't have to be as much strict about
what makes for simxu1, why not "ju'e", which presumably is already
generic?
Another concern is about KOhA involving "joi". "mi'o", for example:
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/mi%27o
My understanding:
ci mi'o
= ci lo me mi joi do
= ci da poi me mi joi do
My question: Does this "da" refer to lo gunma or lo se gunma? In other
words, is each of the three referents of "ci da" a group or an
individual?
mi'e tijlan mu'o
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