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Re: [lojban] groupyness in definitions
That's a bug in the BNF/YACC grammar that is fixed in the PEG
grammar.
-Alan
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 09:44:30AM -0400, Michael Turniansky wrote:
> It can, but xorxes point' was that "roxy.xipa" is a single numeric string,
> all-X(1) (remember that "paxy." -> "1X" is considered a number, and can do
> all things that numbers do (quantify sumti, etc.)). Since you want to make
> this two different "words" you have to end the quantifier part with a boi,
> "ro boi xy xi pa", the same as you have to do if you want to say, for
> example, "xy boi zy darxi" if you mean "X hits Z", and not "xy zy darxi"
> ("XZ hits")
> (Of course, jboski/genrei chokes on "xy xi pa" for reasons unknown to me,
> but there is nothing wrong with it grammatically
> --gejyspa
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Luke Bergen <[1]lukeabergen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Sorry, for some reason I was thinking that xyxipa worked like "broda"
> and could work in tanru and whatnot. Everywhere where selkik was
> using {me} I intended it that way.
>
> And yeah, now that I think of it, I guess I would agree that {lo se
> vasru no'u la'oi m&ms cu vrici lo ka skari} even though some of the
> m&ms will certainly have the same color as others in the same bag.
>
> 2011/7/23 Jorge Llamb�as <[2]jjllambias@gmail.com>:
> > On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Luke Bergen
> <[3]lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I was thinking about how one would define "vrici" in lojban (I've
> since
> >> looked it up and xorxes has already done this). But at the time, I
> came up
> >> with something like {ro xyxipa cu frica ro lo drata xyxipa lo ka
> xyxire}.
> >
> > You have three sumti there: "ro xyxipa", "ro lo drata", "xyxipa" and a
> > fourth incomplete one "lo ka xyxire ... mo".
> >
> > (Officially "ro xyxipa" is only a number, not a sumti, so the whole
> > thing is ungrammatical because of that first part too, but I agree
> > that PA and BY should not mix, so I won't take points off for that.)
> >
> > You seem to be using "xyxipa" as a selbri, but it's a sumti.
> >
> >> Then I thought some more about it and started wondering if that
> {drata} was
> >> really doing what I wanted it to. If we're talking about {ro lo
> broda} then
> >> we're saying "all of those things that broda which are within the
> scope of
> >> our discourse". But now if I say "ro lo drata broda" that "other"ness
> is
> >> being applied to the "broda" and then we take "all of that".
> >> Is there a way to say "all of the things in xyxipa taken as
> individuals
> >> are different from each of (all of the things in the set xyxipa minus
> itself
> >> as individuals) in property xyxire".
> >
> > ro da poi me xyxipa cu frica ro de poi me xyxipa gi'e drata da ku'o
> xyxire
> >
> > I don't think "vrici" requires such total difference among the x1's
> though.
> >
> > mu'o mi'e xorxes
> >
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