Re: [lojban] tosmabru test

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:48 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> On Wednesday 07 September 2011 20:11:51 Jorge Llambías wrote:
>> The test to determine whether a given string is a valid fu'ivla or not
>> is not that complicated:
>>
>> (1) check that it doesn't violate phonotactics (i.e. it doesn't
>> contain any impermissible clusters).
>>
>> (2) check that its only stressed syllable is the penultimate one, that
>> it ends in a vowel and that it does not contain any "y".
>>
>> (3) check that it doesn't consist of a string of rafsi, and that
>> adding CV in front of it does not turn it into a string of rafsi.
>>
>> (4) check that if you remove one or more cmavo forms from the left,
>> you don't end up with nothing, a gismu, a lujvo or something that
>> passes (1), (2) and (3).
>
> All brivla have to have their second consonant either in a cluster or followed
> by "y" and a consonant. Is this implied by the four rules?

Yes, it is. Rule (4) won't allow more than a single C before a cluster is found.

> What
> about "soiombo" and "peuence"?

I read them as "so iombo" and "pa uence", as I don't require a glottal
stop before semi-vowel i/u. But this is a phonotactics issue, and we
know we are not in full agreement about phonotactics.

"soiombo" cannot break as "soi .ombo" because there's no glottal stop there.

> Do you consider "aierne" or "a'ierne" or "ai'erne" valid?

"aierne" breaks as "a ierne". "a'ierne" violates phonotactics, because
I require the apostrophe to be followed by a full vowel (a semi-vowel
won't do).

"ai'erne" is (currently) fine, although I have gone back and forth in
trying to decide whether or not the apostrophe should be allowed after
a diphthong. I think it's cleaner to keep it between vowels, as in
ordinary words.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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