Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org> wrote:
>
> But really, it seems that we are literally disagreeing on the meaning of
> {cinfo} - whether it means "is a lion", or "is Lion", or is ambiguous
> between the two. So wouldn't the most natural and lojbanic solution be
> to decide on one of the two as the meaning of {cinfo}, and have
> a tanru/lujvo ({cinfo pavrolza'i} or {cinfo dacti}, perhaps) for the
> other?

But wouldn't that just shift the whole discussion from "cinfo" to "dacti"?

~ Another Evolutionary Tale ~

One day, Mamma Human was with her two children, Moople and Cless, when
they saw Lion in the distance. Moople and Cless had never seen Lion
before and wanted to go and play with him, but Mamma Human told them
Lion was dangerous and they should never go anywhere close to him. The
next day, while Momma Human was away collecting fruit, Cless saw
something approaching and said "Hey Moople, there's Lion again, let's
get out of here! (*)" But Moople laughed and said "No silly, that's
not Lion. I saw that Lion had a mole on his forehead, and that one has
no mole. I'm going to play with him." Guess who grew up to have
descendants...

And now in Lojban:

ca lo djedi lo mamta remna cu kansa lo re panzi be ri be'o no'u la
.mupl. jo'u la .kles. .i ca bo viska lo cinfo noi darno .i la .mupl.
jo'u la .kles. no roi pu viska lo cinfo gi'e djica lo nu klama ri gi'e
kelci .i ku'i lo mamta remna cu jungau ra lo du'u lo cinfo cu ckape .e
lo du'u .ei no roi klama lo jibni be ri .i ca lo bavlamdei ca lo nu lo
mamta remna vu crepu lo grute kei la .kles. cu viska da noi ca'o
jbibi'o gi'e cusku lu ju'i .mupl. lo cinfo za'u re'u zvati .i .e'u
mi'o cliva li'u .i ku'i la .mupl. cu cmila gi'e cusku lu doi bebna tu
na cinfo .i mi pu viska lo nu lo pilba'a cu jadni lo sedycra be lo
cinfo .i tu na se pliba'a .i .ai mi ba klama tu gi'e kelci li'u .i ko
smadi lo du'u ma kau ma'urbi'o gi'e se panzi ...

(*) I read somewhere that "let's get out of here" is the most common
line in movies ever, but I suspect it may be just a myth.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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