Re: [lojban] SAE was lojban and PR

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 6:29 PM, John E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well, I certainly don't think that Lojban is SAE in the Sprachbund sense; as Pierre points out it has very few of the characteristic features.  On the other hand, the metaphysical case seems fairly easy -- or did until Mr. Broda showed up again. The whole plug and socket nature of a Lojban bridi screams it.

If I'm reading the plug and socket metaphor correctly, isn't Lojban
mostly socket (BRIVLA) with very few underived plugs (KOhA)?

> But now that there are other interpretations which need to be considered, I suppose we will have to wait a while. (but I still think it is and the other interpretations are just wrong.  This is not, of course, what JCB wanted ( and I did tell him he didn't have what he wanted), but a metaphysics-free language is not possible under SWH.  Nor, I think is one that treats all possibilities equally easily.  We can do mass/kind pretty easily in Lojban, though it always seems periphrastic.

A mass/kind language would be an all plugs language, with sockets
being derivative?

> I am less sure about flux or sense-data languages, mainly because I really don't know how they work at all ( I miss things).

Wouldn't Lojban fit better as one of these? Assuming the
classification is all plugs vs. plugs and sockets vs. all sockets, it
seems that Lojban falls squarely in the last one, with a rather simple
device ("lo") for turning sockets into plugs.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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