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Re: [lojban] SAE was lojban and PR

Well, I certainly don't think that Lojban is SAE in the Sprachbund sense; as Pierre points out it has very few of the characteristic features.  On the other hand, the metaphysical case seems fairly easy -- or did until Mr. Broda showed up again. The whole plug and socket nature of a Lojban bridi screams it.  But now that there are other interpretations which need to be considered, I suppose we will have to wait a while. (but I still think it is and the other interpretations are just wrong.  This is not, of course, what JCB wanted ( and I did tell him he didn't have what he wanted), but a metaphysics-free language is not possible under SWH.  Nor, I think is one that treats all possibilities equally easily.  We can do mass/kind pretty easily in Lojban, though it always seems periphrastic.  I am less sure about flux or sense-data languages, mainly because I really don't know how they work at all ( I miss things).

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On Oct 30, 2011, at 15:34, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:

> The term "SAE" is kind of ambiguous, as is half-evident from the Wikipedia page. On the one hand it is a kind of 'metaphysics' implied by the semanticses of the SAE languages. On the other hand it is a sprachbund characterized inter alia by the features Pierre was discussing. I don't think it's a given that Lojban is SAE in either sense; it may be, but the onus is on the person claiming it is to provide the evidence.
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