Re: [lojban] Big baby words list

[Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>]

Well, we do have jbovlaste, but it's limited by the fact that it requires someone actually putting the word into it.

Then again, any other "Academie Lojbanique" would have the same problem.

Speaking of- Bad Pierre! Not putting {ipkota} into jbovlaste! For shame! :D

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Mark E. Shoulson <mark@kli.org> wrote:

On 11/02/2011 10:43 AM, najrut wrote:

I'm strongly against manual adding new words. Why don't use some algorithm similar to used in scoreGismu ?

chinese 嗝 ge
hindi Hicakī hicak
english hiccup xikap
spanish hipo xip
arabic فواق [fwaq] fuak
russian икать [ikats'] ika

All this makes me like type-4 fu'ivla even less. Here I am, bobbing along, reading my Lojban text. I come across an unfamiliar word. Gee, whatever could this be? Oh, of course, it's a combination of the Spanish and Russian. Or it's the native term for something. So all I need to do to understand Lojban is to learn the (effectively a priori) gismu and rafsi, and be able to recognize ALL THE OTHER LANGUAGES THERE ARE. These fu'ivla are effectively a priori words like gismu, except that gismu are fixed in number and have a fixed authoritative list. If everyone randomly makes up words when they can't be bothered to think of a good lujvo (which is not to say that all fu'ivla can be replaced by lujvo, but (a) I think more of them can than is commonly claimed, and (b) even given that I'm wrong about that, you can bet that there are no few fu'ivla that are/will be invented that would be better as lujvo), then we get a million non-mutually-intelligible dialects, not a language at all. And even for fu'ivla that are legitimately fu'ivla, there will still be arbitrarily many different forms depending on the biases and knowledge of each coiner.

I think at *least* you should give some sort of heads-up in the form of prefixed rafsi (type-3 fu'ivla), maybe start to learn to transition from type-3 to type-4 as it becomes more familiar (make dropping off that rafsi for well-known words a "natural" part of colloquial and fluent speech), and make type-4 fu'ivla only when they are (or will be) more or less universally recognized. Or at the very least make sure there's a Central Repository, an Academie Lojbanique, to approve these fu'ivla so at least I have someplace to look them up.

~mark

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