Re: [lojban] baby words: "help"

[Kevin Reid <kpreid@switchb.org>]

On Nov 6, 2011, at 5:36, Pierre Abbat wrote:

> On Sunday 06 November 2011 01:43:04 Robin Lee Powell wrote:
>> "Sleeping helps you grow strong".  I'm sure there's an obvious gismu
>> here, but I'm missing it.
> 
> lo nu sipna cu sidju do lo nu tsaba'o

I think {sidju} might be intended to be agentive. I think this is clear and precise:

    lo nu tsaba'o cu prali do lo nu sipna

(or)

    lo nu sipna cu te prali do lo nu tsaba'o

Note that {prali} x1 specifically can be an event, and that {prali} implies that growing strong is a benefit.

Also, whether {prali} or {sidju} is used, I do not think we truly need to say {tsaba'o} rather than {tsali}; Lojbanic tense vagueness covers it. Or perhaps

    lo nu sipna cu te prali do lo nu ba tsali

For language acquisition, shouldn't we prefer sentences with "simple words" over ones with lujvo, when the lujvo are there for a "variant" meaning rather than one that's fundamentally not a gismu?

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Kevin Reid                                  <http://switchb.org/kpreid/>

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