* Sunday, 2011-11-06 at 18:58 -0300 - Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>: > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org> wrote: > > * Sunday, 2011-11-06 at 17:15 -0300 - Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>: > >> And even so, mere set disjointness doesn't seem to get at the heart of > >> the matter, which is probably in the x3 of klesi: > >> > >> "lo ranmapku jo'u lo bolmapku cu ficysi'u lo ka ce'u klesi lo mapku ma kau" > > > > Yes, good. So I'd want to add three characters: > > {lo ranmaplei jo'u lo bolmaplei cu ficysi'u lo ka ce'u klesi lo maplei ma kau} > > You could extend that method to all predicates. So instead of: > > lo prenu cu klama lo zarci lo zdani lo dargu lo karce > > you can say: > > lo prekla cu klama lo zacyselkla lo zdaterkla lo dagvelkla lo karcyxelkla Are you mocking me? zo'o There's no problem with prenu klamaing; there is a problem with ranmapku klesiing. > >> >> Why is beret - hat - garment artificial? > >> > But they're all on the same level, no? > >> As kinds? A beret is a kind of hat, and a hat is a kind of garment. > > > > I'm only seeing two levels there - one containing berets and hats, and > > one containing kinds of hat and kinds of garment. > > One level contains the garment, next level down the hat, next level > down the beret (and a fourth level I hadn't mentioned because it won't > enter into a klesi relationship contains some particular individual > beret.) So "klesi" relates two things from different levels. Oh, no, we're not using the same definition of 'level'. I was reserving that for the problematic case, where going up a level corresponding to passing from AE to EA. I believe this corresponds to (your version of) {mupli}. I meant to ask for a natural example where we go up two mupli-levels from mundanes.
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