On 11 November 2011 02:16, Luke Bergen <
lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> ahhh good call. I've spent quite a bit of time googling for an english
> example of "x" but never could find one. Ble'ch' sounds like a pretty nice
> approximation.
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Jonathan Jones <
eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Assuming you pronounce the "ch" in "Blech" the way I'm hearing it my head,
>> that's exactly how I pronounce {xy.}. (Which is also how I pronounce the
>> "ch" in Loch, BTW.)
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Luke Bergen <
lukeabergen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Ian
>>> Johnson <
blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I can say {citmle} without anything syllabic, as far as I can tell; is
>>>> that difficult for you? Note by the way that this is in contrast to a number
>>>> of pronunciation difficulties that I still have; my {x} is still quite weak,
>>>> for example, and can be hard to tell from my {k} in a number of positions in
>>>> words. So somehow it seems like if I can say it, lots of people should be
>>>> able to? Or something?
>>>>
>>>> I don't really like the sound, both for malgli and nalmalgli reasons, of
>>>> {cit-} in general, though. Put differently, {citmle} doesn't sound like what
>>>> it means.
>>>>
>>>> mu'o mi'e latros
>>>
>>> Hmmm. Your comment makes me a little nervous. "x" has always been an
>>> annoying sound for me but I think I finally have it. Based on the CLLs
>>> description and the fact that somewhere where it talks about lojbanizing
>>> names it suggests "x" as a possible replacement for "h" made me feel pretty
>>> comfortable about it.
>>> But then I'll hear someone say "it's like the 'ch' in the scottish
>>> 'loch'" and think "wait, I pronounce that like 'lock' and when I hear a
>>> scottish person say it it always sounds more like a 'k' to me". Or for
>>> example I read your message about how your "x" sometimes sounds like "k" and
>>> that makes me think even moreso "oh no.. my 'x' sounds more like an 'h'
>>> that's kind of flemmy or like I have a fishbone in my throat or
>>> something.... where are these 'k's coming from".
>>> Oh blech. Then I listen to the audio
>>> here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_velar_fricative and read how
>>> "It is not to be confused with the voiceless uvular fricative". And I can
>>> barely hear the difference. Though if I had to say which one my "x" sounds
>>> more similar to it would be the second one since it sounds more "h"y than
>>> the first one.
>>> Blech. Maybe later I'll record myself pronouncing it and lo jbocecmu can
>>> give me some feedback if they have the time?
>>>
>>> mi'e la .cribe.
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