[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

Re: [lojban] Metalinguistic sumti-to-selbri operator



I think this is an interesting proposal, but on behalf of latros, I'm mentioning that he has created a definition for [me'ei] already. 
Also, his definition is already on jbovlaste:  http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/me'ei 
Also, he (and some others) have already begun to use it, which his other coined terms po'oi, no'oi, and me'au, for transcending the limits of first-order predicate logic, which is kind of what your proposal seems to do (unless I'm seriously misunderstanding, which I easily might.)

On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think I understand this. How would you say what {.i do ko'a me'ei lo melbi} says without using me'ei?


On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Daniel Brockman <dbrockman@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we should have a generic operator for converting a sumti referring
to a selbri into a selbri.  I propose calling it {me'ei}.  It'd be part of ME.

For example,

   i do ko'a me'ei lo melbi
   You have a beautiful relation to ko'a.

   i pe'i la xalbo na me'ei lo smuni be lo cmene be vo'a
   I don't think xalbo lives up to his name.

This plugs a language hole that may be somewhat theoretical but in my opinion
is pretty fundamental.  It also provides a way to define things like {me'oi}:

   {me'oi foo} = {me'ei lo smuni be zo'oi foo}

And if you don't like {bu'a}, which is a bit awkward to quantify, depending on
your standard for awkwardness, you can just use {me'ei da}.

All in all, it's a powerful tool for talking about and manipulating predicates.

For example, one could define a brivla like this:

   {kibro} = {me'ei lo smuni be zo kibro bei la jbovlaste}

Now, maybe that's not how you interpret it, but at least now you can
talk about it in a precise manner.

Thoughts?

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.




--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.