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Re: [lojban] Using Lojban in 'very' defined contexts (eg. maths)
I've been studying some psychology and there has been some research in recent years which supports the saphir-whorf hypothesis. For example the fact that chinese children grasp the base-10 position system several years earlier than english-speaking children (approx 5 year instead of 8 year). The cause for this seems to be the chinese numeral systems which is pretty much the same as lojban.
To say pareci really is easier than to say onehundred and twentythree, and if you think otherwise it's probably because you has not get used to it yet.
mu'omi'e jongausib
Den fredagen den 2:e mars 2012 skrev .arpis.<rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>:
> From my meager experience, the lojban system is nicer than English for
> thinking of _numbers_, as long as _quantity_ doesn't matter. That's
> okay, though, because any digit based system is poor at expressing
> quantity at scale.
>
> ba zu ju'o cu'i I would like to practice using lojban numbers for a
> memory system (inspired by
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic_major_system) and practice
> using them for arithmetic.
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:46 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
>> This has sort of come up before. I agree that bare numerals seem harder to
>> use than numbers that mark the value at each place. When I was in the army
>> (too few years ago) a man once directed us in physical training exercises
>> saying "one five" for 15. I found it irritating.
>> What do the accomplished speakers here think?
>>
>> stevo
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a good question.
>>>
>>> I wonder if "pa-ci-re" is an efficient way to say "132". It may be
>>> good for a computer, which "understands" the things in a syntactic
>>> way, but I would say that humans prefer the semantic-pragmatic way
>>> which is found in "one-hundred, three-tens, two-units", (even if tens
>>> is said "-ty" and units is implicit), because there's the positional
>>> meaning of 1 that means "one hundred" imported in the language.
>>>
>>> People tend to think pragmatically/semantically, not only along
>>> syntax, as, perhaps, Lojban does a little too much ?
>>>
>>> 2012/3/2, M.Nael <muhammad.nael@gmail.com>:
>>> > Would this work?
>>> > My native language is Arabic yet I've studied Mathematics since age 3 in
>>> > English... Arabic has the disadvantage of having 'too-many syllables' as
>>> > opposed to (usually) 1-2 in English.
>>> > This is most visible in numbers. Arabic 'One' is 'wa?id' | 'Two' is
>>> > 'i0na:n' | 'Three' is '0la:0ah' and so on.
>>> > Even with English being more efficient here (and I've grown to use its
>>> > number-words in mental calculation), I still find myself saying
>>> > 'three-thousand bla-bla-hundred), ...etc. Lojban number-words should
>>> > make
>>> > up for this, thus:
>>> > My question is: how much would training for 'pa-ci-re' instead of
>>> > 'one-hundred, thirty-two' etc... be beneficial for my mental
>>> > calculations?
>>> > And if I decided to extend this to the whole of my mathematical
>>> > thinking?
>>> > Has anyone tried to use *just* the maths (and generally science-part) of
>>> > Lojban?
>>> >
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