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Re: [lojban] footnotes, etc?
Are you sure you meant {xo'e}?
za'a It's an experimental cmavo meaning the same thing as {lo}.
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
> Huh how coincidental, I was discussing footnotes and endnotes in #lojban
> just a few days ago.
> It seems like there are many ways to do this, some of which use only
> standard lojban, and a few others which require experimental cmavo. I'd
> strongly prefer to see the first variety be used, naturally.
>
> 1) Works only after a sumti. [ko'a nesa'a zo'e pe li xo'e], where xo'e is
> the number of the footnote/endnote. Replacing [zo'e] with something more
> precise would allow for disambiguation in that regard. For "footnote" in
> particular, I'd suggest [ko'a nesa'a lo papri fanmo notci pe li xo'e]. The
> use of [sa'a] is perhaps optional.
>
> 2) Works anywhere. Wrap the following in a to/to'i...toi: [e'u catlu zo'e pe
> li xo'e], where zo'e and xo'e are replaced as in the previous solution. This
> solution is arguably less good than #1, as when using a to...toi, I don't
> think that it's good practice to refer to the surrounding text. Of course,
> using to'i...toi is perhaps better.
>
> 3) Requires a new cmavo and works only after sumti. Let xi'i be a cmavo of
> XI, meaning "see footnote".
>
> 4) Requires a new cmavo and works everywhere. Let mai'a be a cmavo of MAI,
> meaning "see footnote".
>
> 5) Requires a new cmavo, uses nonstandard Lojban, and works everywhere. Let
> xi'i be a cmavo of XI and let XI equate to a free modifier.
>
> These are the solutions that I can think of; there are certainly more. Also,
> [xi'i] and [mai'a] are completely made up, they aren't in jvovlaste or known
> by any lojbanists, unless of course someone else has been using one or the
> other or both for some other purpose, in which case I apologise.
>
> As for the text of the footnotes, there are many possibilities again. Each
> footnote could be individually wrapped in a TO...toi, or the full text of
> the footnotes could be wrapped in a single parenthetical remark. Also, one
> could also simply use [ni'o]...[no'i] for the text of the footnotes. This
> would be more inline with the solutions not involving wrapping the footnote
> number in a parenthetical remark, as I believe that it is bad to refer to
> the contents of a parenthetical remark from within the main text. (IIRC, the
> CLL says not to do so as well.) I suggest using [mai] to mark the number
> being used for the following text until another [mai] is reached. If [mai]
> is already being used in the main text and confusion might result from using
> regular [mai], perhaps the footnotes could all be negative numbers, in order
> to ensure that there's no confusion between a reference to a footnote and a
> reference to another section. Also, if [mai] is being used in a situation
> where the text of a footnote contains a reference to a footnote, it would
> become impossible to use subscripting as suggested below. In that case, I
> would suggest using a zo'u-and-tu'e..tu'u system like so: {i lo papri fanmo
> notci pe li pa xi re zo'u tu'e i li'o tu'u}. Using [ni'o] for each new
> footnote might be a good idea as well, but this makes wrapping the whole
> footnote section in [ni'o]...[no'i] more confusing.
>
> As for footnotes within footnotes, (footnoteception? :P ) it is possible to
> use subscripting to disambiguate, using any of the solutions mentioned
> above, except the solutions involving [mai], as the number preceding [mai]
> cannot be subscripted. [mai] itself may not be subscripted either, unless
> the author adheres to XI-as-a-free-modifier (which is nonstandard Lojban).
>
> i ma se jinvi
> mu'o mi'e la tsani
>
>
> On 8 March 2012 19:34, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey! .skaryzgik. is back! Hoorah!
>>
>> Regarding your question, I'm pretty sure we have header and footer cmavo,
>> but I don't know what they are nor have the time currently to look them up.
>> Hopefully .xorxes. or Pierre or Robin can provide better information on
>> that.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Marjorie Scherf <skaryzgik@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> coi rodo
>>>
>>> So, I've been reading a lot of Terry Pratchett's Discworld series in the
>>> last week or so, which, those if any of you who are familiar with these
>>> books may be aware, are full of footnotes. A little asterisk at the end, or
>>> in the middle, of a sentence, corresponding to one at the bottom of the
>>> page, which explains the thing immediately preceding the one above, or tells
>>> some related story. Sometimes even the footnotes have footnotes. And, since
>>> these books are also reminding me of several things I want to use lojban
>>> for, the various strands of thought tangled together and I wondered how
>>> lojban would accomplish something similar. Would we merely use
>>> parentheticals, or would something else be more appropriate?
>>>
>>> mu'omi'e la .jdakrat.skaryzgik.
>>>
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>>
>>
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