Re: [lojban] Playing with Tanru and Fu'ivla... "Philips screwdriver"

[".arpis." <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 4:42 AM, Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:
> coi rodo,
>
> I am currently playing with the idea of tanru and fu'ivla.
>
> Would you say a "Philips screwdriver" is kucylupcartci ?

I would say that {kucylupcartci} is a lujvo that I, knowing that there
is an important distinction between phillips and flathead
screwdrivers, might interpret correctly. If I wanted to say it, I'd
probably go with a tanru: {kruca lupcartci} or {me la .filips.
lupcartci}

In fact, if {lupcartci} weren't already defined to be screwdriver, I
might argue for {luptci}, since turning is inherent in the screw.

>
> Another question : a tanru mixes two notions X and Y in a (X & Y)
> (which is, indeed, primarily a Y which has X-ness)
>
> But suppose I want to speak of a (X & Y & Z)... ?   *not* of a (X & (Y
> & Z)), nor of a ((X & Y) & Z), but of a (X & Y & Z), without assigning
> any precedence in the way the notions are mingling together ?
>
> Put in another words, suppose I want to talk about a pretty little
> girls' school while remaining deliberately ambiguous ?
>
> [this can be useful even without any malign intention : there are a
> lot of old books with ambiguous X's Y's Z constructs, and if we want
> to translate them into Lojban we need to keep the ambiguity as it is]
>
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