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Re: [lojban] Using Lojban in 'very' defined contexts (eg. maths)
Read the link that arpis provided (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic_major_system ) for
enlightenment.
--gejyspa
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> How is 2946837090 0123456789?
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Weirdly, I already use the the Major system (although I've always
>> referred to it as Harry Lorayne's system, since that's where I first
>> read of it 35+ years ago, and have used it in English all these years)
>> in lojban, but just for inconsequential things. For example, my
>> address is "ro datni" I also noted with some amusement that many
>> digits can transform into other lojban digits. For example, want to
>> remember "2946837090"? Why, simply remember the lojban phrase "no pa
>> re ci vo mu xa ze bi so" ;-)
>>
>> (Incidentally, my 8yo's 4th grade class (Jewish day school) was
>> also taught this system for memorizing what was the main part of each
>> chapter of Genesis)
>>
>> --gejyspa
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:44 AM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > From my meager experience, the lojban system is nicer than English for
>> > thinking of _numbers_, as long as _quantity_ doesn't matter. That's
>> > okay, though, because any digit based system is poor at expressing
>> > quantity at scale.
>> >
>> > ba zu ju'o cu'i I would like to practice using lojban numbers for a
>> > memory system (inspired by
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic_major_system) and practice
>> > using them for arithmetic.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:46 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> This has sort of come up before. I agree that bare numerals seem harder
>> >> to
>> >> use than numbers that mark the value at each place. When I was in the
>> >> army
>> >> (too few years ago) a man once directed us in physical training
>> >> exercises
>> >> saying "one five" for 15. I found it irritating.
>> >> What do the accomplished speakers here think?
>> >>
>> >> stevo
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> This is a good question.
>> >>>
>> >>> I wonder if "pa-ci-re" is an efficient way to say "132". It may be
>> >>> good for a computer, which "understands" the things in a syntactic
>> >>> way, but I would say that humans prefer the semantic-pragmatic way
>> >>> which is found in "one-hundred, three-tens, two-units", (even if tens
>> >>> is said "-ty" and units is implicit), because there's the positional
>> >>> meaning of 1 that means "one hundred" imported in the language.
>> >>>
>> >>> People tend to think pragmatically/semantically, not only along
>> >>> syntax, as, perhaps, Lojban does a little too much ?
>> >>>
>> >>> 2012/3/2, M.Nael <muhammad.nael@gmail.com>:
>> >>> > Would this work?
>> >>> > My native language is Arabic yet I've studied Mathematics since age
>> >>> > 3 in
>> >>> > English... Arabic has the disadvantage of having 'too-many
>> >>> > syllables' as
>> >>> > opposed to (usually) 1-2 in English.
>> >>> > This is most visible in numbers. Arabic 'One' is 'wa?id' | 'Two' is
>> >>> > 'i0na:n' | 'Three' is '0la:0ah' and so on.
>> >>> > Even with English being more efficient here (and I've grown to use
>> >>> > its
>> >>> > number-words in mental calculation), I still find myself saying
>> >>> > 'three-thousand bla-bla-hundred), ...etc. Lojban number-words should
>> >>> > make
>> >>> > up for this, thus:
>> >>> > My question is: how much would training for 'pa-ci-re' instead of
>> >>> > 'one-hundred, thirty-two' etc... be beneficial for my mental
>> >>> > calculations?
>> >>> > And if I decided to extend this to the whole of my mathematical
>> >>> > thinking?
>> >>> > Has anyone tried to use *just* the maths (and generally
>> >>> > science-part) of
>> >>> > Lojban?
>> >>> >
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