On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:37:48AM -0700, ianek wrote:
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> On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 9:20:18 PM UTC+2, Robin Powell wrote:
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> > On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 11:24:06AM -0700, ianek wrote:
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> > > On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:01:27 PM UTC+2, Robin Powell wrote:
> > > > > Ad c. Maybe we should make jbovlaste 2.0? I think it's the
> > > > > hardest part...
> > > >
> > > > I've also requested this many times. I gather Dag has done
> > > > some work here, but nothing worth showing off.
> > > >
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> > > To complete such a project you need at least two people: one
> > > who has the resources to do it (skill, time, will) and
> > > another, who knows what they want from this project and can
> > > demand from the former (which includes setting deadlines) and
> > > preferably has some power over them (eg. by paying them for
> > > work). It's not easy to get such two people, but it's even
> > > harder (pe'i) to get a bigger project done without them.
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> > I'm perfectly capable of being the demander, if I had any
> > evidence that there was anyone around here who could be the
> > do-er; everyone who has ever offered to help with anything
> > around here has stopped helping within, at the very longest,
> > about a month[1].
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> By saying "perfectly capable of being the demander" you (pe'i)
> don't mean that you have some power over potential doers, which is
> pe'i the source of problems. But it's really hard to gain power
> without lots of money, so I'm afraid I can't help here.
Right, I meant capable of managing, not capable of providing
external motivation for people to be managed.
In a community this large, I would expect to *occassionally* call
for volunteers and actually get some significant help, but that
hasn't been the case, really, ever. It's kind of disturbing,
honestly. I wonder what is wrong.
I can't answer that question, but the whole issue of volunteers (or lack thereof) with Lojban makes an interesting case study.