On 7 July 2012 07:50, la .lindar.
Guys currently in San Mateo, please discuss la xorxes's proposals once again. Make connectives easier to use and learn until there we get many more lojbanists. It would be too late to fix anything then.
While it is, as of right now, ultimately the decision of Robin Powell, I will, as a member of the BPFK, will not approve the revision I think you're talking about (making jeks work the same place eks work) and will loudly voice my opinion against it. I think it's a horrible idea and removes the conciseness of the language as it stands. There's no reason to remove eks and I don't think it's that bloody difficult to learn all of the connectors.
I had a look at the "mad" proposals, and in my opinion they don't seem mad at all and would make the language much more concise than the present form is. I'd make one more simplification, i.e., use only GI as a connective medial. The PEG version of the Lojban grammar is slightly more permissive than the old YACC version was and allows a few more KU's to be elided thus removing the YACC derived extra KU problem mentioned in the proposal.
With the additional GI change to the proposal, the PEG grammar can be modified to accept both usage versions without breaking any old texts which now pass the parser (all old text don't pass, BTW.) The minimum change affects only four rules in the BEG, and the resulting parser gives an identical parse for Alice compared to the one produced by my unmodified parser.
This kind of change would keep the underlying grammar identical (except for the ortogonalization of the tanru connectives), only some surface details would change. This would be a much smaller change than xorlo, which was rather a fundamental change and, e.g., for me much more difficult to stomach than these "mad" proposals, which are more akin to normal, fluid, living language evolution a streamlining but a very controlled one compared to the phenomena in natural language evolution.
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