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Re: [lojban] Re: Is there any demand for LoCCan3?



It's true that the set of people attracted to one engelang probably largely overlaps the set of people attracted to other engelangs, and hence that a proliferation of engelangs dilutes interest in any single engelang, tho I don't see why that should be a problem.

Perhaps you agree with me that human society would be improved if it had access to a common loglang. In that case, a proliferation of different but all adequate loglangs would be unfortunate -- it would be better for there to be a monopoly of one common loglang. But currently no adequate loglang exists. To create one, I feel you'd have to encourage both plurality of competing (but unowned) candidates and one or more collaboratively created candidates -- in the hope of generating the best ideas and finding solutions to unsolved problems. If no adequate loglang existed but it was easy to make one, I expect I and others would have made one and published it, but it's not easy to find a way to unambiguously encode logical forms in an ergonomic way.

--And.

Jonathan Jones, On 08/07/2012 20:31:
I would prefer we didn't have another split, myself. We have Loglan, Lojban, Gua/Spi, Ithkuil, and possibly other much less known derivatives already. Every time someone decides to start a new lojbau, everyone suffers. And regardless of what problems your chosen lojbau is, it isn't perfect. It never will be. Dividing our efforts just makes it so that the true goal of all these languages- to be /spoken/ by /people/- will never be accomplished.

The quest for perfection is a futile one. What we have with Lojban now is good. Granted, it could be better, but that will always be true. It was true of "LoCCan1", it's true of "LoCCan2", and it will be true of "LoCCan34234234234". Starting over from scratch isn't the solution. Yes, you may be able to make a new lojbau that doesn't have the problems you perceive in "LoCCanN-1", but by making it, you create a new divide.

If we want jbogugde to exist, if we want people to speak our language- whichever one we decide on- then what we need to do is not to make a new one whenever we see problems. We need to either find an acceptable solution /within/ our language, or we need to /deal with it/.

French is the third largest language on the internet. How many people do you think would bother to learn French if every region had their own, mutually incompatible dialects? Would English be nearly as pervasive as it is if British, Australian, South African, and U.S. English speakers couldn't understand each other?

To quote a rather famous saying, "Divided we fall, united we stand". I view LoCCan3, and any other split, as the worst possible thing that could happen to us as a whole.

On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 12:44 PM, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com <mailto:lindarthebard@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Curious...

    Why not just make it already?
    Quit talking and just do it. >_>

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