Re: [lojban] RE:Trivalent Logics

Guzman's claim (not in the monograph so much) that Aymara is a language invented by van Daniken gods is also at least suspect (there are other related languages in the area, with all the expected diachronic connections).

What problems a trivalent or other polyvalent logic will solve, if any, is pretty much to the imagination of the person setting up the system and typically guides his choices for which of 19,682 binary functions he picks for OR, AND, and IF (and which of the 27 unary is NOT). I suppose the favorite is future contingents, followed by other epistemic/causal puzzles. The record of accepted success is limited (nil, I think), though some issues have been clarified a bit. As the cases suggest, various kinds of modal logics seem to offer better hope (though without much better success so far).

From: Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] RE:Trivalent Logics

On Sunday, August 5, 2012 5:49:49 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote:

I'm not sure what the Aymara population is, but linguists -- including a number of native speakers of Aymara who have gone on to graduate degrees in linguistics -- agree that Guzman's interpretation of the data (much of which they say he also has wrong) is incorrect. In short, Aymara does not use trivalent logic, though it does have a number of --to us -- unfamiliar epistemic modalities.

If so the task to implement trivalent logic is no longer of utter importance for me. I thought that the inventors of Aymara were much wiser.

uinai they were not.

ta'o Why implementing this logic won't solve any problems? What can solve them? Quaternary logic? Do you have any thoughts of how to implement it?

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On Aug 5, 2012, at 3:20 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, August 4, 2012 8:48:08 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote:
Yeah, with the unlikely exception of Aymara, it is hard to imagine what this would look like in practice.
Why not? Millions of people use it while speaking the language that is highly naturalistic.
Just relexing Aymara to Lojban should be quite easy. It's all the matter of how to teach people to use new but better cmavo.

Juggling even the six basics xorxes offers (or the minimal three) probably pushes one's understanding pretty far, unless you have a very concrete notion of what the third value is (and then you may be surprised at what the system offers you in some cases). We seem to be better with fuzzy (but let's don't get started on that!) than clear-cut triads or more when it comes to dealing with the world.

From: Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] RE:Trivalent Logics

On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Gleki Arxokuna
<gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
> doi xorxes xu do pu troci lo nu pilno lo cimei logji xusycmuma'o ca'o lo nu
> tavla?

.i no roi go'i

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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