Re: [lojban] Revising mu'ei and CAhA once again. Possible worlds.

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

But this is a total reworking of {pu'i} and {nu'o}, and {ca'a}, for that matter.  To be sure, they appear to be mixing aspects and modals, but in fact hey are just rhetorical flourishes.  Their logical role ({ca'a} doesn't really have one, since it is just {ca}, logically -- or rather the lack of a modal component) is best shown by the conjunctions, since they are hardly common enough logically to need separate forms.  The logical (and usually language as well) is is whether the event is possible or not, not whether it is instantiated or not, and, if the event is occurring, even that interest drops out.

While I am ignoring it, I still wish someone would explain the bags to me, especially what they have to do with anything interesting.

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From: Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2012 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Revising mu'ei and CAhA once again. Possible worlds.

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:35 AM, Gleki Arxokuna
> <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> anyway, what is in your opinion the difference between {pu'i} and {ca'a}?
[...]
> That leaves two interesting meanings without a simple form, that we
> can assign to "pu'i" and "nu'o":
>
> ka'e na je ca'a = pu'i
> ka'e je na ca'a = nu'o
>
> pu'i: "actually, but not necessarily" or "actually, but possibly not"
> nu'o: "actually not but possibly" or "actually not, but not necessarily not"

I forgot to mention that this corresponds well with your diagrams:
"pu'i" is a black ball that comes from a bag also containing white
balls, and "nu'o is a white ball that comes from a bag also containing
black balls, so they make reference both to the ball and the bag,
while "ca'a" is just a black ball, and "ka'e" is just a bag containg
black balls.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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