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Re: [lojban] Revising mu'ei and CAhA once again. Possible worlds.



On Thursday, August 9, 2012 2:54:00 AM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Jorge Llambías <jjlla...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:35 AM, Gleki Arxokuna
> <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> anyway, what is in your opinion the difference between {pu'i} and {ca'a}?
[...]
> That leaves two interesting meanings without a simple form, that we
> can assign to "pu'i" and "nu'o":
>
> ka'e na je ca'a = pu'i
> ka'e je na ca'a = nu'o
>
> pu'i: "actually, but not necessarily" or "actually, but possibly not"
> nu'o: "actually not but possibly" or "actually not, but not necessarily not"

I forgot to mention that this corresponds well with your diagrams:
"pu'i" is a black ball that comes from a bag also containing white
balls, and "nu'o is a white ball that comes from a bag also containing
black balls, so they make reference both to the ball and the bag,
while "ca'a" is just a black ball, and "ka'e" is just a bag containg
black balls.
Your scheme is excellent, doi xorxes. Yes, there is not much difference between your scheme and mine.
Probably, because I based mine on your notes in lojban.org wiki pages on mu'ei, conditionals and CAhA :-)
The wiki doesn't mention {pu'i}. That's why {ca'a} is
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/''ca'ai'',+''ka'ei''+and+''nu'oi',+and+''nau'a'' 
not defined correctly (is it {ka'e je ca'a} or {ka'e na je ca'a}?).
But your new scheme is pretty clear.
I wish we could add {da'i} to this scheme.
Anyway, I'm sure that redefining CAhA as xorxes just suggested is a must.

I don't know how to explain my scheme better
but the shortest version of it would be
A-level. {ka'e}
M-level. {nu'o,pu'i}
F-level. {ca'a}

Other topics relating to conditionals are:
1. Relation between {ni'i} and {ganai ... gi}. Needs to be clarified. What are your thoughts, John?
2. {va'o} which as wiki mentions is more vague and therefore powerful than {ganai ...gi}.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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