John E Clifford wrote:
Interesting read on {ca'e}; where does it come from? I would have
thought it belonged to rhetoric, not pragmatics; a move to stipulate a
meaning for a contentious term in order to get on to substantive
issues. Or to introduce a new term altogether to develop a novel
theory. The "Believe or not, what I am now doing is showing intention
to do x" reading seems to me not much in keeping with the given
definition or the whirl of words (admittedly not very coherent) around
the word {ca'e} in other contexts. It also seems strangely
propositional (with which you can't do much but make a claim -- your
example does seem to be an assertion with {ca'e} calling attention to it).
ca'e was defined and classified as one of the evidentials, which stem from La'adan and Amerind languages. I don't think of them as performative, as I understand that term (I probably don') or rhetorical. But I am not sure about the applicability of "pragmatics" either.
Alas it has been 20 years since I thought much about La'adan and the concepts that we borrowed from it.
I agree that {zukte}, as it stands, does little for intentionally, but,
as you note, that has little to do with intending to do something. I'm
not sure (and philosophers as a group aren't either, never mind
individuals with very definite ideas) just what is needed, as, perhaps,
for a modifier "intentionally" left otherwise undefined.
I still think that platu is more applicable than zukte. zukte has a goal which is probably an intention, but it links a specific action to that goal, which may less an intention than one of several steps in order to achieve the intended terzu'e goal (and possibly not a necessary step, if there is more than one way to achieve the goal).
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