On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:I have no idea what you just said.On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Mike S. <maikxlx@gmail.com> wrote:Allowing {ii} after coronal sounds like {d} causes many fine minimal contrasts - {di dzi dji zi ji} seems plenty; those with {dii dzii djii zii jii} seems excessive.On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
No. Should I?On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Mike S. <maikxlx@gmail.com> wrote:On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:The same as my take on all fu'ivla: I don't like it.On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Mike S. <maikxlx@gmail.com> wrote:What would be your take on fu'ivla containing {dii}?On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 2:07 PM, <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:On , ".arpis." <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:Yes, I've seen all those "BRAAAAIIINS" and green skin around but I would favour the original Voodoo myth :)
> Not all uses of "zombie" (in English) involve a controller; e.g. Left 4 Dead, Night of the Living Dead, Shawn of the Dead, etc.
We have a similar problem in Italian with "principii" (principles) and "principi" (princes). With some exercise they come out very distinct.
> Also, I'd just like to note that I have difficulty pronouncing the terminal {ii} to be distinct from {i}.
It shouldn't be difficult at in Lojban. {ii} is a diphthong pronounced "YEE", {i} is a vowel pronounced "EE".
You'll have to be more specific if you want a better answer.
Do you notice any difficulties with {dii}?
For some people, plain semivowel {i} will be mixed up with some sort of fricative or affricate even before OPEN vowels. When you place it near {i}, you are almost insisting that they (af)fricatize it.
What I am trying to say is that, if all those combinations become common, people from around the world are going to mispronounce them and confuse them with one another. I am implying that disallowing {ii} helps Lojban reach its goal that the sounds and the letters correspond with each other "one-to-one".