I just realized that it is strange that we have a special word for
the "command mode", but not for other similar things like the
"intentional mode", or the "volitional mode", etc, which are handled
with UIs, but could equally well have been something like {ko}.For example, say {xi'u} was the "intentional {mi}", then we'd have
xi'u klama lo zarci ~ ai mi klama lo zarci
just like
ko klama lo zarci ~ e'o do klama lo zarci
I don't see why the imperative is somehow more fundamental than the
intentional, volitional, and all the others.It would be interesting to make a list of the attitudinals that change
the sentence to opaque mode, like {ai} and {e'o}.This is assuming I'm right that {ai mi klama lo zarci} means
"I intend that there be a store such that I go to it" and not
"there is a store such that I intend to go to it".Jorge
Wait a minute. arpis's example of a request using imperatives was in English. In Lojban, the imperative meaning is always and only that of giving an order/command, i.e., telling someone to do something (, which in English also carries the expectation that the command will be obeyed), or as hinted by someone, to cause the sentence to be true.
My point is that "telling someone to do something" is a much broader category of utterances than "order/command".stevoTo view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/One more question, whats the difference between {pe'u do}, {pe'u ko} and {ko .e'o}?--Hunh? An imperative is necessarily an order. That's the definition of imperative.On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 11:32 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
{.e'u} and {ko} largely differ in the fact that after insubmission after {ko} you might be executed by your commander whereas after {.e'u} you would probably survive. zo'o"Insubmission" is a new and useful word for me. Thanks for using it!stevoTo view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/ms
On Friday, August 17, 2012 4:24:31 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:Am 17.08.2012 13:47, schrieb Paul Predkiewicz:--
> but {xa'e} is a rafsi of {xance}, how would you use it to say such
> things as "let's go"?
-xa'e- is the rafsi, but xa'e as a cmavo is a LAhE (even though I wish
it was UI) that makes it so that the sumti it's used on is treated as if
it was ko, i.e. a third-person command.
xa'e lo gerku cu cliva
"The dogs shall leave!"
"May the dogs leave!"
"I want the dogs to leave."
Whether it's very useful is another question. {.e'u} will usually be
enough for cohortatives at least.
mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
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