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Re: [lojban] Cowan's summary: opacity and sumti-raising



Welcome to the club.  Yes, a full Montague analysis would be the surest hope for a solution to all problems, but nobody since Richard has been up to doing that, so we stick with piecemeal solutions (which is all he actually left).  A good analysis of words like {djicu} and {nitcu} would be a good start (I know the basics but can't see the specifics).
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On Aug 20, 2012, at 1:42 PM, "Mike S." <maikxlx@gmail.com> wrote:


On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:38 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
If my memory serves, running seems the best idea.  It now appears that the previous thread apparently about {ro} and "any" was actually about the (apparently) odd behavior of quantifiers in the proximity to intensional contexts and so there is probably a double issue at hand. 
{do djicu le nu do citka ma} is a real world question embedded in an transworld context, so its answer turns out to reflect both its antecedents, with the issue being (at least partly) just where the quantifier goes in the the whole dialogue scheme.  To this there are many answers, none of them totally satisfactory nor generally agreed to, so a long storm is likely.  But I am (after all these years) a pessimist, so stick around for at least a while and see if something useful doesn't turn up.

IMHO only a careful and thorough formalization that posits exactly _one_ semantic interpretation rule for _each_ syntactic operation has the chance to clear up such issues once and for all.  Such a formalization wouldn't have to be like Montague's program in all the exact details, but it would have to be something much like it in terms of degree of rigor.

In the meantime I'll stick around and even chime in from time to t

 

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