No, the PROPER spelling of a word is irrelevant to who spells it. But it is only PARTIALLY related to the language in which it is spelled. For example there are many words that have more than one legitimate spelling -- theatre/theater, labor/labour, for example. (Did you know there are actually 8 spellings of the word "ganef" in the Scrabble dictionary that are all acceptable?) The standard by which a word is spelled is therefore a potentially needful part (but can be defaulted as I did in my first answer, though). As for the actual speller of a word, in a given instance of spelling ("HOW did you spell that word on the test?") is definitely important to know. (i.e. the proper spelling is an intrinsic property of the word, but an instantiation of spelling is agential. ) But that's just the way I think about it, and since I spell words all the time, for money (
http://cross-tables.com/results.php?playerid=2141 ) and need to spell them correctly for other pursuits
http://www.oedilf.com/db/Lim.php?ShowcaseAction=Author&ShowcaseAuthor=1128 , I like to think my feelings on spelling have some weight. YMMV
--gejyspa
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Jacob Errington
<nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
The spelling of a word is irrelevant to who it is that spells it. Lojbanically speaking, that is only a half truth. Words are intrinsically related to a language by virtue of valsi3, and languages are intrinsically related to their speakers by virtue of bangu2. Therefore, words are somewhat related to the speakers of the language to which the word belongs. That, however, is irrelevant because someone can spell a word without knowing that the word exists.
Regardless of that short philosophical part, we can form regular lujvo of the type "x1 says [seltau] to xN-1 via medium xN" by suffixing -sku to pretty much whatever (please don't raise {djisku} as a counter-argument; {djisku} is among the most horrible lujvo ever, jvajvo-speaking).
lo ka lerpoisku cu ka cusku ce'u noi lerpoi
replace {lerpoi} with my previous definition of lerpoi.
.i mi'e la tsani mu'o
On 28 August 2012 14:06, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
Absolutely. But you can use either method of lujvo formation to get both meanings. It's just whether you want to add a gau part to a non-agential word to make it agential, or use zi'o (or just leave it blank, zo'e'ing it) to make an agential work into a non-agential one. Personal preference *shrug* If (for example) "lerganzu" means something like "g1 spells word l3 as g3=l1 in language/by rules g4=l2" you can ask "ma te lerganzu zo barda" and receive back an answer of "me'o by ce'o abu ce'o ry ce'o dy ce'o abu" or "me'o by ce'o ibu ce'o gy go'i fi mi lo ka tolmencre se ra'a mi"
--gejsypa
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:55 PM, .arpis.
<rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
The (correct) spelling of a word is irrespective of the person doing the spelling (action). There are two concepts: "food" is spelled "f-o-o-d" regardless of who's talking, and I can spell "food" "f-o-o-d".
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Jorge Llambías
<jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 6:05 PM, vitci'i <
celestialcognition@gmail.com> wrote:
> jbovlaste's definition for lerpoi doesn't seem to have a place for the
> word formed by the sequence of letters. I have to repeat iesk's question.
zo broda lerpoipo'i by ce'o ry ce'o .obu ce'o dy ce'o .abu
The pronoun "by" is not the name of the letter B, but it can well be
used to refer to the letter B since whatever its name is in Lojban, if
it has one, it probably begins with B.
Another maybe more practical option is:
zo broda lerpoipo'i by ry .obu dy .abu
where the pronoun "by ry .obu dy .abu" is used to refer to the letter
sequence B, R, O, D, A. It's unlikely that this pronoun will ever be
used to refer to anything else.
mu'o mi'e xorxes
Personally, my philosophy on a lujvo for spelling would be more based on "ganzu", rather than "porsi", for the simple reason that spelling is usually agential in nature...
-gejyspa
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mu'o mi'e .arpis.
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