On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:00 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:It seems to me against the spirit of lojban to try to define a lujvo to mean something so specific (and culturally specific) as "yacht"; I'd use {surblo} to mean "boat used for relaxation" and let context disambiguate whether I meant cruise ship or yacht.
The entire /point/ of lujvo is to have specific meanings. Tanru are the general, ill-defined ones.
--On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Betsemes <betsemes@gmail.com> wrote:On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:pukypreposblo = pluka ke prenu ponse bloti
> My only objection to the use of sivni is that sivni is private as in private
> thoughts, but I don't really have a better alternative. "Private property"
> isn't property kept hidden or in secret, it's merely something owned by an
> individual (or sometimes a small group of individuals like in the case of
> family-owned and timeshares). But as I said, I don't have any good
> alternatives- I don't think pukypreposblo is better.
The objection I have about this is that a yacht is not necessarily
private in terms of possession, but it's private in terms of usage. A
cruise ship holds many passengers which are brought together by a
cruise ship agency, and many of those passengers most likely don't
know each other. A yacht may be owned by a yacht charter business, and
many are; but it's mostly chartered by families or group of friends,
or maybe even by coworkers; so it's more likely privately *used*.
And yes, that's my uncertainty about sivni; it has "private" on its
definition, but it seemed to be more about confidentiality althought I
was not sure.
mu'o mi'e betsemes
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