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Re: [lojban] Lojban, Pimsleur-style (Unit 1)

Am 19.09.2012 07:24, schrieb Daniel Lyons:

On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:


On Monday, September 17, 2012 09:49:28 Daniel Lyons wrote:

coi rodo. I've been learning Lojban off-and-on for a while and would like to
contribute some Pimsleur-style audio lessons. Before recording, I want to
be sure my translations are correct. Please double check me:

"Excuse me"
  .u'u ju'i
  [sorry] [attention]

How about "ta'a do"?

That looks better to me. Thanks!
Maybe if you care about politeness, you could add .e'a pei: "ta'a .e'a pei do" ~ "am I allowed to interrupt you?". 




"Do you speak lojban?"
  ¿xu do tavla fo la lojban?

xu do se bangu la lojban?

I prefer the brevity of xu do se lojbau. Maybe include both and a little comparison?
Note that -loj- is the rafsi for logji and -jbo- is the one for lojbo. lojbau sounds more like a general loglang to me. 



Early units in Pimsleur often spend a lot of time comparing what happens when addressing men versus women and making statements versus asking questions because most languages make distinctions there. Lojban doesn't have these complications. I'm inclined to respond by making the lessons shorter but the alternatives, such as including more supporting material or simply covering more material per lesson, should be considered.


"No."
  na go'i

"Yes, a little."
  cmalu go'i

I don't know what you get when you make a tanru with "go'i". "cmalu se bangu
be fa mi bei la lojban"? "mi cmalu se bangu la lojban"?

I'm not really in a position to argue it, but I'll note respectfully that the reference grammar shows this:

[...]

The presence of GOhA there suggests to me that "go'i" can appear in a tanru unit, and that the meaning would be exactly that suggested by the tanru algorithm in the book, so "milxe go'i" would mean "weak type-of (previous bridi)" or "yes, weakly," which seems (to me) like what would be implied in English by "a little."
Yes, GOhA are selbri. Using go'i in a tanru does the same as any other tanru, in this case the following happens: 

A: xu do se bangu lo lojbo
B: go'i milxe
Here "go'i" stands for "se bangu be fa mi bei lo lojbo be'o" and thus the tanru is "se bangu be fa mi bei lo lojbo be'o milxe", which you could expand to "milxe lo ka se bangu lo lojbo", the mi in milxe1 is implicit. 





Anyway "milxe" is better. You could also say "ja'a ru'e go'i".

No disagreement there. Is "ru'e" important in that expression?


Yes, it turns it from "I do speak Lojban" into "I barely speak Lojban".

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

--
pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

doị mèlbi mlenì'u
   .i do càtlu ki'u
ma fe la xàmpre ŭu
   .i do tìnsa càrmi
gi'e sìrji se tàrmi
   .i taị bo pu cìtka lo gràna ku

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