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Re: [lojban] What place of nesting bridi {ce'u} refers to?



On Thursday, October 4, 2012 4:36:54 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
Am 04.10.2012 09:34, schrieb la gleki:

I'm not sure what you mean by

I don't like how gua\spi works here cuz as i can see it demands using another gismu every time you change the value of {ce'u}.

 Can you show me what you mean?

Although it's not the right place to discuss it here please translate to gua\spi

So I have to translate this for you, but you don't like how it works? I'm not sure you can properly judge it then.


I have a general idea how it should be translated into gua\spi.
The problem of translation might be of a philosophical kind.
1."I want to eat an apple".

The normal way uses an infinitive compound:

^:i \ji /daw crw \xo plyw

But you can also use an explicit infinitive:

^:i \ji /daw \vo crw \xo plyw
2."I want you to eat an apple".

^:i \ji /gu pli \ju ^vo crw \xo plyw

or

^:i \ji ^ju /gu pli \crw \xo plyw

But I have a clear feeling that in both sentences the same semantic prime can be used. And this prime describes "desire".
Lojban can replace {ce'u} with anything. Natlangs can do the same. gua\spi can't. {to zoi gy. I don't want to criticize gua\spi anymore. gy. toi}

btw, what is your opinion about {ka=su'u ce'u}?

I'm not sure how to answer that question. You can say that ka is du'u ce'u, I don't know what the advantage is in defining ka in terms of su'u, because to me su'u could then mean nu or ni, which means that ka could become nu ce'u or ni ce'u. So why not use a more precise abstractor? Also, what is the point anyway? ka has at least one ce'u in it, that's pretty clear to almost everyone. Why do you need to use su'u here?

Well, I used su'u because wasn't sure about {du'u}. And {* lo ka lo penbi cu clani } had bewildered me.
I just wanna know whether it would be correct to add the definition of {ka=du'u ce'u} into jvs or not.



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