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Re: [lojban] To Polish fellow lojbanists

But the question as to stress is only tangential to the underlying phonotactical issue that it implies--namely, first off, zo pei is defined as being, by definition, one syllable because it contains only a non-syllabic consonant and diphthong, as per LBG 3.9. However, the allophonic pronunciation zo pe,i [pɛ.i] phonetically contains two syllables. Because under CLL 3.3 the comma can be pronounced as an apostrophe in all situations (which is a 'rule' most jbopre to my understanding already pretend never existed in the first place), but also under the same CLL chapter as well as LGB a comma is quote a "syllable break" which is pronounced as two distinct syllables, it is clear that zo pei, if considered phonologically equivalent to zo pe,i, would then have to constitute both one and two syllables simultaneously, which doesn't seem to make much sense. This is not even mentioning the potential confusion with zo pe'i, with which the main differentiation between it and zo pei seems to be moreso the disyllabicity as opposed to the presence or nonpresence of an [h] phoneme/allophone.

mi'e la'oi jesushlincoln

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:52:31 PM UTC-4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
On Thursday, November 01, 2012 13:00:16 jesush...@gmail.com wrote:
> If [pɛ.i] = [pɛi], what about cmavo stress rules? According to CLL 3.3 a
> comma is a syllable break, but according to LBG 3.9 a diphthong always
> counts as one syllable. On what syllable would [pɛ.i] be stressed, given
> that [pɛi] only has one syllable to stress?

There's no official rule yet about which vowel of a diphthong to stress. I think
that, in a stressed diphthong, the first vowel of a falling diphthong and the
second vowel of a rising diphthong should be stressed: éi, ió, uí, iú.

There is no rule about stressing cmavo, except that, if stressed, a cmavo
before a brivla may need to be separated from it by a pause. E.g. "lókratáigo"
= "lokra tai go" (crustacean like iff) but "ló.kratáigo" = "lo krataigo" (a
hawthorn).

Pierre
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