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[lojban] Re: A new Lojbanic wiki (LMW). On the threshold of the 25th anniversary of Lojban



So, now, the default page is http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/ralju_ckupau/jbo -- which is the lojban version of the front page. But shouldn't the English version be "ralju_ckupau/eng" instead of "ralju_ckupau"? Is there a way to swap things around like that?

And should the Lojban version be "ralju_ckupau" or "ralju_ckupau/jbo"?

More to the point, I guess: Must there exist one version of each page URL which has no "/lang" suffix? If so, the page content of the non-suffixed URL should be in the same language as the title of that page. (For example, "ralju_ckupau" is the title in lojban, so the unadorned "ralju_ckupau" page would be in Lojban. If it is in English, it should be renamed to "Main_Page".)

However, if it is unnecessary for the non-language-suffixed page to have any content (i.e. every page in every language has some "/lang" ending on it), it would still have to have some title in the URL in order for the "/lang" versions to exist, and it would have to automatically redirect to a default language instead of having content.

Presumably Lojban is the only neutral option, so I guess either:

1) every base page should be URL-titled in lojban, and the non-suffixed version of the page is written in lojban, and there are no "/jbo" pages
or
2) every base page should be URL-titled in lojban, and the non-suffixed version of the page should redirect to "itself/<lang>" where <lang> depends on your user settings, defaulting to "/jbo", OR it redirects to the same language as the page which linked you there, if you followed a link (though I think internal hyperlinks should include the appropriate "/lang" ending in most cases).

In both cases, the URL title would be in lojban, but within the content of each translated page, it would show the title in its own language; this already seems to be the case now (i.e. "ralju_ckupau/nds" is called "Hööftsiet"; "ralju_ckupau/ru" is called "Главная страница").

Make sense?

mu'o mi'e vruxir


On Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:20:40 AM UTC-5, vruxir wrote:
Oh, but my sidebar is all in lojban now. And clicking on "cunso ckupau" (random page) brings me to some English pages, some lojban pages.

mu'o

On Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:18:44 AM UTC-5, vruxir wrote:
Now the default page, when you visit http://mw.lojban.org/, is http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/Ralju_Ckupau

Note the capital letters. The text of that page is nonexistent. However, returning to http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/ralju_ckupau -- that page is still the English one, and that+/jbo is the lojban one.

On Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:16:04 AM UTC-5, la gleki wrote:
UPD: Hmm ... I just saw the following string in LocalSettings.php
$wgLanguageCode = "en";

I immediately changed it to
$wgLanguageCode = "jbo";

Now the default language of non-logged-in users is lojban.
So... how does Translate Extension treat pages now? Are they now in lojban by default?


On Thursday, November 15, 2012 3:35:57 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:

Well, I won't defend Translate Extension. If someone can fix that please do.

On Thursday, November 15, 2012 1:09:39 PM UTC+4, iesk wrote:
I think it would be best if there were no default or base language. If ther mußt be, then it should be Lojban rather than English.

I don't See btw how enforcing English as the default language of the wiki pages could *not* be a problèm ...

Also please accept my apology for the wording 'stupidly named'. All I meant is, '<Lojban title>' for the English page and '<Lojban title>/jbo' for the Lojban Page is no good solution, obviously.

Sorry for Bad typing.

Iesk

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