Re: [lojban] CLL 1.1/ CLL 2.0. What is your opinion in the current situation?

[Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>]

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 09:54:09PM +0100, selpa'i wrote:
> Am 18.11.2012 21:21, schrieb And Rosta:
> >selpa'i, On 18/11/2012 19:30:
> >>The only way for this to be a useful idea is to have enough
> >>people of the old BPFK team coming together and finishing off
> >>the remaining issues (of which there are of course quite a few).
> >
> >Why the old BPFK team? There seem to be active newcomers such as
> >you and Jacob Errington who understand the issues and would have
> >been on the BPFK had you been around ten years ago. I was on the
> >original BPFK team, but nowadays I wouldn't have the time or
> >commitment to do more than vote on already worked-out proposals
> >-- i.e. not for working-out and debating proposals. Far better
> >chances of progress if the job is given to the likes of you and
> >Jacob. (I should add that I have no idea who either of you are; I
> >just observe that you both post clueful messages to Lojban list.)
> 
> You're right, of course it would have to be a team of active
> members, but we don't need to create a new "taskforce", we can
> still call them the BPFK, just with a different list of people. I
> am hoping at least some of the old members are still available and
> willing to help out. We need people like xorxes.
> 
> I certainly want to be on the BPFK team (or on whatever team that
> makes decisions together) and I asked rlpowell if I could become a
> member some time ago, but he told me there was no use in that,
> since it was basically a dead committee.

I'm sorry, I'm really not following this thread properly.  I'm
really very overwhelmed right now.  It would be good if people
pinged me on IRC for bits that need my person attention (although if
you want to just ignore me and form your own group or whatever,
that'd be fine too :D )

The issue with the BPFK is that many, many decisions have been made
amongst those who know enough and care enough to try to fix the
rough edges in Lojban.  Many things have been worked out thoroughly
and are essentially done.

The problem is that no-one is working on *implementing* them.

We don't have a lack of ideas, we have a lack of execution.  In that
sense, it's dead.

-Robin

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