Re: [lojban] CLL 1.1/ CLL 2.0. What is your opinion in the current situation?

[Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>]

I'm only going to respond to this bit, because .lojbab.'s answer is similar to what I'd've said on the rest. Also, a fair warning: I tried, and completely, utterly failed, to be my usual polite self in my reply.

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:28 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

> But this is something that must be discussed further.

NOTHING "must" be discussed further.

Things must be DONE, not "discussed".  Discussion is the enemy of
getting things done.

And proposing changes for discussion, as you seem to habitually do,
makes paying attention to your proposals antithetical to getting things
done.

If you mean helping with CLL 1.1 i already expressed my opinion.

As for rewriting cmavo definitions i dont understand how I can help.

Do you wish i presented a ma'oste with new definitions? what would it change?

everyone would ignore it.

No, no, no, a thousand times no. Why on Earth would you ever think that a person who just expressed his complete and utter DISLIKE of DISCUSSION, specifically because it is a DISTRACTION from DOING, would you ever think he wants you to make any more suggestions?

He wants of you the same thing he wants of all of us- to shut up about our ideas, STOP trying to fix perceived faults in the language, and just stop endlessly debating how the language "ought" to be at least until the work that NEEDS TO BE DONE before any of those thing matter in the slightest GETS DONE.

Absolutely no changes will even be considered until that work is done, so any proposals are a waste of your breath and our time.

When the baseline is complete, and not before, is when proposals may be submitted for consideration- and there's a formal procedure for that, too. Until then, it is an utterly pointless activity.

Every jbopre goes through the "proposal" phase, but most of us get through it after one or two. You do one or two /a week/, and you've even said you have no desire whatsoever for an voice in the official determinations of the language, which makes one wonder what your reasons are, unless of course you're trying to get us all to debate endlessly on pointless crap that does nothing for the language.

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